RailPro > RailPro Specific Help & Discussion
Speaker comparisons
Archive:
Originally posted by kpack05 on the RailPro Users Yahoo! Group on Jul 17, 2015
And yes, like Bill said Tim is totally open to people submitting recordings. I have basic recording equipment but can't find access to record any prime movers or much else. I did manage to capture a decent K5HA-R2 (Gevo) horn file, and I have posted the edited files here for anyone's use. I'm not sure if anyone has bothered to download and try it out though.
-Kevin
Archive:
Originally posted by TS on the RailPro Users Yahoo! Group on Jul 18, 2015
Yeah 28 ohm! Well, I did only get them to test with, and the price was
was cheap enough; a few $$$ for 5 with free postage. I've yet to wire
three in series and see how it goes but even a single one does work ok.
Of course Tim is open to getting recordings, he gets something for free
to help sell his product. yes, I do know you can request they not be
made available to everyone else but it was the same with the pictures
before that was opened up, everyone else did the work and he got
marketable material for free.
There might be an argument for taking one for the team with recordings,
the more available the more sellable the system is, which leads to
improvements through market share etc but I don't know how many will
fall for it. I know if I spent a day professionally recording a
locomotive and then spent some more days post editing I certainly
wouldn't be inclined to give away that effort for free, and if I did
I can do that without the middleman.
Cheers,
Tim
Archive:
Originally posted by William Brillinger on the RailPro Users Yahoo! Group on Jul 18, 2015
Personally I think this is a horrific approach. "waaaa, bo hoo, the manufacturer gets something out of my efforts" :(
When I make recordings for myself, I will certainly make them available to the rest of the community, including Ring Engineering at no charge. Anything that improves the strength of the community and product is good for everyone.
I have no problem with hobbyists sharing their efforts to improve the product, especially when so many other manufacturers just snub their noses at the efforts of their product proponents. Ring has shown themselves to be receptive to user input and that is to be encouraged.
- Bill
Archive:
Originally posted by TS on the RailPro Users Yahoo! Group on Jul 18, 2015
Warning... fairly long post, with some content relevant to just Bill
as I try my best to explain myself.
I don't disagree with you Bill, but I think it's the reality out there.
I read many a comment from individuals that would never buy into
Railpro because they had to send their photo to Ring for conversion and
then he got to use it as his property. Of course they mostly missed the
point about requesting their work not to be public and now it's all
changed anyway because we can do it all ourselves but that's how it
was. I see it the same with recordings.
There are two sides of the story. I'm a fan of opensource where
applicable and I agree, anything that helps the community is good and
Tim's "mostly" openness is to be commended for the reason you stated
and if I recorded a horn I imagine I'd make it available free to all.
However, if I was like one person I know of and travel hundreds of km
to spend a lot of time to professionally record all the sounds of a
locomotive and then spend days in post editing (just the prime mover
needs 27 sound files) to get seamless transition then there's a lot of
time and effort invested and I'd be thinking hard on giving all that
time and effort away for free, especially if someone else gains
financially from it (even if given away for free if it helps someone
sell their product then they gain financially).
I guess another example; way back in 2002 (and I still have the emails!)
you gave away the artwork for Boley IH truck grills to anyone who asked
on the 87scalecars list. Even though people could have gained from them
you still gave them away (and it helped the hobbyist to improve a
product). I don't know how much time you spent to create them but I
imagine it was enough time that you could have asked for remuneration
if you wanted to. If Boley had come along and wanted to use the artwork
to improve their product which they sell would you have given it to them
for free?
I know it's a bit chalk and cheese but what I'm trying to say in a long
winded way is there is a cut off point for how much time and effort
people are willing to give away for nothing that allows someone else to
get something.
Cheers,
Tim
Archive:
Originally posted by William Brillinger on the RailPro Users Yahoo! Group on Jul 18, 2015
Tim,
I guess, the big difference in my mind is that; if I made the recordings for my own benefit, and by sending them to the manufacturer, I receive that benefit, then I have no problem with giving it away. If I made the recordings with the express intent to market them, then that is a different story.
I only know of a few people, who were vocal about about sending images for processing, but I will say, failing to include the ability to upload your own images locally, from the start was a mistake for Ring.
Cheers,
- Bill
Navigation
[0] Message Index
[*] Previous page
Go to full version