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General => General Discussion => Topic started by: Viper on August 03, 2017, 03:56:46 PM

Title: Southern Railway
Post by: Viper on August 03, 2017, 03:56:46 PM
How come their are no Southern RR loco pictures on file to download?  thanks in advance and remember i am new to Railpro.
Ed
Title: Re: Southern Railway
Post by: nodcc4me on August 03, 2017, 05:22:21 PM
The downloadable pictures are user supplied. Maybe there isn't too big of a following for Southern. I couldn't tell you why though.
Title: Re: Southern Railway
Post by: William Brillinger on August 03, 2017, 07:24:01 PM
Ed,

If you have any sort of digital camera, you can take your own photos and load them up using the RailPro Assistant Software.

The tricky part is that they need to be sized correctly. See this thread for sizing with basic windows software:
https://rpug.pdc.ca/index.php/topic,194.msg1052.html#msg1052

How to load custom pictures is covered on page 24 in the RPA user manual:
http://www.ringengineering.com/RailPro/Documents/RailProAssistantUsersManual.pdf

Cheers!
Title: Re: Southern Railway
Post by: PatP on August 04, 2017, 09:19:54 AM
How come their are no Southern RR loco pictures on file to download?  thanks in advance and remember i am new to Railpro.
Ed

Welcome Ed.

If you don't want to create the pic yourself or don't have the software to do it, I can do that for you and email it to you. It only takes a few minutes. Or, Ring used to do the same thing. You can pull it in using RP Assistant.

PatP
Title: Re: Southern Railway
Post by: Viper on August 04, 2017, 12:41:04 PM
Thanks Guys, hey Pat could you send me a picture of Southern SD40-2 pic?
Ed
Title: Re: Southern Railway
Post by: PatP on August 04, 2017, 01:53:21 PM
Thanks Guys, hey Pat could you send me a picture of Southern SD40-2 pic?
Ed

Ed,

No problem. What's your color pattern? What's the engine number(s)? I can email it or attach it here.

PatP

Title: Re: Southern Railway
Post by: Morebassman on August 04, 2017, 03:17:28 PM
Ring still uploads pictures. I sent a pic. of a NS sd80mac 2 weeks ago and it was in the railpro assistant the next day. Ring sent me an email that said as long as they are actual pics of locomotive and not custom ones.. (weathered), That he is glad to do it so it is available to all users. Note that if you send him the picture it has to be facing cab to the left side.
I had a problem trying to convert it myself. I gave up!!
Title: Re: Southern Railway
Post by: PatP on August 04, 2017, 05:52:05 PM
I expected he would have a standard, and rightfully so. The clean ones look a little cartoonish for my taste though. I've taken photos locally and can change the numbers, etc.., in Photoshop. Takes me longer to get a photo than to fix-em.

If someone wants a weathered pic of their engine, its just an offer. They can stand a piece of notebook paper behind it and take a close-up with their phone so they've got a white background. I don't mind doing them. I won't pirate photos though, so I don't doctor internet pics. Someone worked to take those.

PatP
Title: Re: Southern Railway
Post by: Viper on August 06, 2017, 07:13:30 AM
#3317L and #3240X thanks again Pat!
Ed
Title: Re: Southern Railway
Post by: PatP on August 06, 2017, 12:53:30 PM
#3317L and #3240X thanks again Pat!

Ed,

3317L and 3240X BMPs attached. Let me know if they should look different, I've never seen a Southern engine. This is the only SD40-2 photo I had. It was FEC 714 parked at Agrock a couple of years ago when I took the photo.

PatP

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Title: Re: Southern Railway
Post by: Viper on August 06, 2017, 02:09:12 PM
The look awesome! , Southern were High Hoods though. Thanks!
Ed
Title: Re: Southern Railway
Post by: PatP on August 06, 2017, 10:07:14 PM
, Southern were High Hoods though. Thanks!

I wondered about that. I saw the high hoods on Athearn's site, which is how I found out about the stripe and what looks like gold lettering. If you want to take a cell phone picture(s) and email it(them) (pat@patpatterson.com), I'll turn them into BMPs and send them back. I don't have permission to use any of Athearn's pictures.

PatP
Title: Re: Southern Railway
Post by: PatP on August 07, 2017, 10:26:23 PM
Ed,

Great news. I have written permission to use the product photos from Athearn's website so, Southern High Hoods are all yours.

PatP

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Title: Re: Southern Railway
Post by: Viper on August 08, 2017, 06:42:16 AM
Awesome ! Thanks Pat "you the Man" i owe you one!. just got my first Receiver installed w/sound now going to start playing with all the features of this awesome system from Ring Engineering.
Title: Re: Southern Railway
Post by: G8B4Life on August 08, 2017, 07:06:16 PM
Note that if you send him the picture it has to be facing cab to the left side.

Not cab left but forward direction left. From the RailPro Assistant manual.

"It is preferred that you place the locomotive such that if it were to move forward that it would be traveling to the left on your picture.  Forward direction to the left is consistent with pictures that we already have."

This means technically that if you had a hood unit where the long hood end was forward the long hood should really be to the left. I don't know if many, if any US hood units were set up as long hood was forward and I don't think it matters to most, possibly because of a combination of they don't know which end is actually forwards on the prototype and whatever they buy is most certainly going to be wired as short hood end as forward anyway, regardless of which end is forward on the prototype.

Remembering it's forward direction facing left, not cab left will help when you have to install into things like B units and twin cabbed units.

- Tim
Title: Re: Southern Railway
Post by: Alan on August 08, 2017, 08:35:46 PM
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I don't know if many, if any US hood units were set up as long hood was forward

The railroad I model, the Akron Canton & Youngstown, road engines were exclusively Fairbanks Morse units all of which were long hood forward.

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Title: Re: Southern Railway
Post by: nodcc4me on August 08, 2017, 08:44:07 PM
Alco RS-1's, 2's and 3's were long hood forward locomotives.
Title: Re: Southern Railway
Post by: G8B4Life on August 08, 2017, 09:49:02 PM
Well after a little bit of reading it seems that determining which end was forward for a given class of hood units in the US could be more complex than I thought. It seems that, up to a point in time at least which end was forward could be road specific; which end was forward was a choice. Perhaps an early benefit (which after a while they discovered was no benefit to the bottom line) of the catalogue approach to diesels by US builders.

From my very limited knowledge of US diesel history it looks like most of what I'll call gen 1 units (early FM, ALCo, EMD) were long hood forward, a carry over from steam. As things got bigger and the boiler in front mentality went away short hood forward became the norm. Here, in my state that took until the mid 70's to happen with hood units.

Alan, to validate one of my points, which way forward were your FM's wired from the manufacturer? and if SH forward did you bother to change the forwards direction to be LH forward?

- Tim
Title: Re: Southern Railway
Post by: PatP on August 08, 2017, 10:24:26 PM
The only engine I operated was an MP15DC. If you google mp15dc images WR Grace #212 is the first hit. I ran #121 and #122 for a little while (6 months, maybe). They were set up as hood forward but we always pulled toward the cab. Those engines would push forward better than they would pull, which was directional gearing (they ran faster backward). I wonder if the same would've been true with the "gen 1" units. The gearboxes would've been streamlined to non-directional later on to cut manufacturing cost. Of course, I ran a switcher, not a road engine.

Just a thought,

PatP
Title: Re: Southern Railway
Post by: Alan on August 09, 2017, 08:01:18 AM
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Alan, to validate one of my points, which way forward were your FM's wired from the manufacturer? and if SH forward did you bother to change the forwards direction to be LH forward?

That's a good question. I never paid attention. I have no way of running a non-RP equipped loco so I swap them to RP straight out of the box. FMs, at least my H15s and 16s, are marked F on the long hood sill so I would assume Atlas wired them forward that way.

Not being a railroad man I have no clue why but the AC&Y often ran two units lashed short hood to short hood. Perhaps having the cabs close together served a useful or convenient purpose. I run my models the same way because it is how I remember them and how my photos show it. The AC&Y often ran single power either direction depending on whatever suited the switching situation at the moment. The only time they reliably had long hood forward was when a train left Brittain Yard, their only major yard.

I believe there was also a perception in the early days that long hood forward offered additional crew safety.