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RailPro => RailPro Software Updates => Topic started by: G8B4Life on July 03, 2019, 08:07:48 AM
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When did this sneak in?
Noticed today there is now an EMD 567-16 ULT prime mover file available.
- Tim
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It went up on the weekend, but it's still in testing AFIK.
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If it's still up for everyone to download, then I would. It sounds excellent. Recorded directly from a 16-567C. Lots of prominent exhaust, and very smooth transitions up and down the notches.
I'd eventually like to have a second 567 file with a bit more of the "whine" that so many 567's have....that kind of mechanical whirring of the prime mover as it's throttling down. Not really sure how to describe it. But this new file is great and well worth the download.
-Kevin
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Kevin, I'd like to get that sound too. I'm thinking about adding another microphone nearer the roots blowers so the exhaust doesn't drown out the whine. I might need to talk to a sound expert to see what can be done.
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Bruce, that was my thought also. I'm guessing the microphone was up near the exhaust stacks then? I think if you have one mic mounted up on top, and one mounted down near the roots blower, then coordinate the recordings of both by using a clapper, Tim should be able to mix both together in post processing and have both the loud exhaust as well as the whine.
-Kevin
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Kevin, That's correct the microphone is up by the exhausts. It might be possible to move it further away so that it doesn't override the whine. I might try that first.
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I just installed the new 567-16 ULT and compared it to the old 567. Now, my recollection as to what a 567 actually sounded like is long gone, but the 567-16 ULT seems to be higher pitched, almost tinny, and less throaty than the old 567. Hope it is reasonably correct as it sounds nice.
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I just installed the new 567-16 ULT and compared it to the old 567. Now, my recollection as to what a 567 actually sounded like is long gone, but the 567-16 ULT seems to be higher pitched, almost tinny, and less throaty than the old 567. Hope it is reasonably correct as it sounds nice.
I agree with your assessment, it is higher and does not play a lot of the lower notes. It is accurate though....it was recorded right from a prototype through all the notches. The problem was the location of the recording equipment as was discussed in this thread. The exhaust sound drowned out the prime mover. Bruce is working on getting another recording with the mic placed in a different location that will allow more of the prime mover to be recorded.
-Kevin
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I'm curious as to what sort of equipment was used in the recording of these locos?
I used to work at (and still have contacts with) a shortline railroad in the Midwest. It has the following (operational):
SW1200
SW1200RS
GP8
GP9
MP15AC
GP40-2
SD40-2
Don't know if that'd be any help for recordings, but the owner of the railroad likes to go out of his way to help the railfans.
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I'm curious as to what sort of equipment was used in the recording of these locos?
I used to work at (and still have contacts with) a shortline railroad in the Midwest. It has the following (operational):
SW1200
SW1200RS
GP8
GP9
MP15AC
GP40-2
SD40-2
Don't know if that'd be any help for recordings, but the owner of the railroad likes to go out of his way to help the railfans.
Welcome Juxen! All of those would be of use for recording. The SW's have the 567C 12 cylinder, which we don't have a recording of. The GP9 would give us another source for a 567C 16 cylinder. The MP15AC has the 645E 12 cylinder, which we also don't have. The GP40-2 has a 645E3C-16, which we don't have but will be very similar to the 645E3-16, which we do have.
I would focus on the SW's and MP15AC first, then the GP40-2 and GP9 last.
Contact Bruce (BruceRogers on here) and see what he uses for recording equipment. He has it all and has provided most of the recordings so far. Tim Ring might be another source to contact as well. He's done several of the recordings and if the location is close to where he is, he may want to head out there and get them.
-Kevin
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I'm curious as to what sort of equipment was used in the recording of these locos?
I used to work at (and still have contacts with) a shortline railroad in the Midwest. It has the following (operational):
SW1200
SW1200RS
GP8
GP9
MP15AC
GP40-2
SD40-2
Don't know if that'd be any help for recordings, but the owner of the railroad likes to go out of his way to help the railfans.
Welcome! And I'll second Kevin, what a resource you have access to.
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I just installed the new 567-16 ULT and compared it to the old 567. Now, my recollection as to what a 567 actually sounded like is long gone, but the 567-16 ULT seems to be higher pitched, almost tinny, and less throaty than the old 567. Hope it is reasonably correct as it sounds nice.
I agree with your assessment, it is higher and does not play a lot of the lower notes. It is accurate though....it was recorded right from a prototype through all the notches. The problem was the location of the recording equipment as was discussed in this thread. The exhaust sound drowned out the prime mover. Bruce is working on getting another recording with the mic placed in a different location that will allow more of the prime mover to be recorded.
-Kevin
I agree. To compare, I have a Bowser F3 with an older Soundtraxx decoder, it definitely has more of the lower register whine.
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I'm all ears! The hardest part is getting the sounds under load. On older units without self load capability you need to pull a cut of cars along with the brakes on the train set. That means at least a mile of track to pull it off. Even a switch engine has more power than you think. If one can talk the shop guys into hooking the locomotive up to a load bank there's no need to move it. Of course that takes time too. Talking them into doing it for free is also tricky. So far I've got everything for RailPro for free. Just my time and gas invested.
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Thanks all for the head's up! I actually used to work with them as a conductor, so I've got good contacts there.
And Bruce, I agree; one of the little switchers pulled 28 loads and one empty one afternoon, so there's quite a lot of weight there. Good news is, we (or they) rarely MU locomotives, and prefer to allow locomotives to pull all 20 or so daily cars with one loco.
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For the recordings I used a Tascam recorder and an external microphone. On EMDs the long cord allows me to sit in the cab while recording to ensure it doesn't over peak. I'd be interested in Recording everything they have so we can all enjoy better sounding engines.
here's my email; bruce.rogers95@yahoo.com
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Bruce, what Tascam recorder are you using? I ask because most of them besides the basic DR-05 have multiple inputs. The DR-40 has two inputs (plus two built-in mics for 4 tracks total), and there are some that have 6 tracks with 4 inputs. I watched a video of TCS recording an Alco, and they had mic's all over that locomotive recording it from many angles. I'm wondering if at least getting the recording from two angles would allow you to get the best of both the prime mover and the exhaust. Recorded as separate tracks, then combine them on top of each other and edit to play in Railpro.
I have a nice Sennheisser mic I can send your way if you need a second one.
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Bruce, thanks for the head's up.
We're in the middle of moving right now, so it may be a few weeks before I can get anything set in stone.
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I have a couple good Shure mics if you need to borrow more.
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Kevin, I use the same as Ring do. The DR-05 and a Sennheisser Microphone. I think moving the mic farther away from the exhaust might be the key to better overall sound from the older geeps. The guys that do recordings for TCS or Loksound get paid for the work they do. One guy said he would sell the raw recordings to me for $600 each. I declined at that price. Here at Fond du Lac roundhouse the guys put quite a few geeps and SWs on the load bank each week. I'm hoping to get some recordings when they do it. Of course it has to work around my work schedule too.
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Bruce, I'm glad you have some opportunities to record. Hopefully between Juxen's contacts and yours we can fill in the gaps in the Railpro sound library.
I feel relatively useless as I don't know anyone who can get me access to any sort of locomotive to record. It's all about knowing the right people.
-Kevin
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Bruce, I'm glad you have some opportunities to record. Hopefully between Juxen's contacts and yours we can fill in the gaps in the Railpro sound library.
I feel relatively useless as I don't know anyone who can get me access to any sort of locomotive to record. It's all about knowing the right people.
-Kevin
If we need to crowd fund some equipment you can count me in.
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Thanks, but all my contact has is old EMD's. Nothing on GE, Baldwin, Alco, or any of the others. And I'd love to get steam locomotives someday.
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Thanks, but all my contact has is old EMD's. Nothing on GE, Baldwin, Alco, or any of the others. And I'd love to get steam locomotives someday.
Old EMD's are great....we need recordings of everything your contact has. Even recordings of prime movers we already have. Having two different EMD 16-645E3 sound files would be great...consists sound better when the locomotives don't all sound the same.
The other locomotives will get recorded eventually (steam being the hardest I think), but the opportunity to record EMD prime movers from your contact is one that we can't miss!
-Kevin
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From the above comments it seems that there may be a redo at some point. Since a newer 567-16 ULT may sound similar to the previous one, will there be a way to figure out when the 567-16 ULT has been updated? I am guessing Ring may not want to add a “What’s New!” for a slight variation of a previously posted one.