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Scaletrains definitely does not integrate well with 3rd party 21 pins.  It's a known issue between ST and other DCC boards...

There was a lengthy discussion about this over at Model Railroad Hobbyist awhile back (Link, look for Yarons posts on page 76-100 and 126-150). What it really boiled down to was all the other decoder brands aren't fully NMRA compliant and lack the required function outputs from the standard to work with Scaletrains; there wasn't anything non standard about Loksound or Scaletrains motherboards at all.

Now, the LM-3S-21 does have the required function outputs so why doesn't it apparently work in place? Mystery!

- Tim
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Scaletrains definitely does not integrate well with 3rd party 21 pins.  It's a known issue between ST and other DCC boards.

I can report that Rapido is a direct drop in for the LM-3S-21.  Plugs right in and has access to all functions, as well as the built-in Rapido keep alive.  Couldn't be any easier.
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Appreciate the reply Smoke, thanks for the information.

Bob
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I just installed an LM-3S-21 in an Athearn Genesis MP15AC — no issues at all, and I’m able to access all the functions without a hitch (headlights, ditch lights, ground lights).

As far as I know Scaletrains is the only manufacturer that doesn't 100% work with 3rd party 21 pin modules/decoders. Here is a link to more info on the Scaletrains issue with the LM-3S-21: https://rpug.pdc.ca/index.php/topic,1666.msg11645.html#msg11645


I’m planning to install more LM-3S-21 modules in Rapido and Walthers locomotives soon, and based on my understanding, I don’t anticipate any major issues there either.
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Hello,

Somewhat new to the group and just purchased RPK-2 starter kit. I'm assuming that the simplest way to go for install is look at locomotives with DCC / sound ready. After reading through several threads i'm getting the impression that Scale Trains might not play so well with Rail Pro, is that correct?

Any recommendations on what manufactures integrate well with RP?

Sorry if this have been covered before but I couldn't find any threads about this topic. Thanks for any advice.

 
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RailPro Specific Help & Discussion / Re: "Motor Overcurrent" error, maybe solved
« Last post by gregeusa on June 07, 2025, 12:37:40 AM »
Not denigrating the product, but the overcurrent detection circuit/algorithm needs improvement.

It needs to be "programmed" like a slow blow fuse, not an immediate trip, needs to take consideration of overcurrent into account.

Many many decoders have no issue with these Pittman motors.
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RailPro Specific Help & Discussion / Re: "Motor Overcurrent" error, maybe solved
« Last post by zr1rob on June 06, 2025, 10:15:50 PM »
4 in the loco now, but it behaved the same halting way with a 3.

BTW: there's a 7000mAh 6S LIPO in the tender. There's no hysteresis when highballing this baby
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RailPro Specific Help & Discussion / Re: "Motor Overcurrent" error, maybe solved
« Last post by gregeusa on June 06, 2025, 07:38:10 PM »
Wow, well that is a good datapoint. I suspect the RP decoder is tripping much earlier than (in my opinion) is needed.

So, probably tripping at rated current, not double as often is done.

I can understand the conservative "restriction", as the model 3 decoder was not up to the G scale locos in general..

which decoder is this, the 4 or the 5?  Can't be the 5 or its not living up to it's rating.

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RailPro Specific Help & Discussion / Re: "Motor Overcurrent" error, maybe solved
« Last post by zr1rob on June 06, 2025, 05:45:06 PM »
hi greg -

there was a lower value ICL that I tried "Ametherm SL22 5R012", it only handles 12A, but is 5ohm, did not work. The loco would tease running, but die. So the initial current inrush must be over 12A.

so that's why I went with the big gun. Rob Pira

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