Author Topic: Improvements to the Hand Held Throttles  (Read 3050 times)

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Re: Improvements to the Hand Held Throttles
« Reply #75 on: September 05, 2021, 07:24:29 AM »
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I wouldn't have thought anyone would buy the smaller DigiTrax type controller's either, but they do. Its all about choices I suppose and what suits people's requirements best.
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Re: Improvements to the Hand Held Throttles
« Reply #76 on: September 05, 2021, 08:11:19 AM »
This is something that I could incorporate into the bitmap builder.
One day when my programmer needs something to do, I think we'll make this happen.

That would be something to see. Too bad your programmer can't... oh wait, I can't go down that path :(

I wouldn't have thought anyone would buy the smaller DigiTrax type controller's either, but they do. Its all about choices I suppose and what suits people's requirements best.

People buy them because there is a significant cost advantage to them for their requirements. If the DigiTrax utility throttle cost the same as the full fledged DigiTrax DT602 no one would buy the utility throttle; well, I have a very hard time seeing anyone buying them because your getting less for the same cost. This is why I don't see it working for RP because the hardware requirements for a utility type throttle for RP are the same as for the full fledged HC so I don't see that there'd be any cost advantage to be had.

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Re: Improvements to the Hand Held Throttles
« Reply #77 on: September 05, 2021, 08:29:21 AM »
I believe someone mentioned this earlier, but I wanted to provide a visual example.  How about a slimming effect where the users thumb and fingers would fit nice and secure.

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Re: Improvements to the Hand Held Throttles
« Reply #78 on: September 05, 2021, 08:37:03 AM »
There's nothing stopping somebody from offering an after market 3d printed replacement case to fit the existing parts into if they really wanted it.
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Re: Improvements to the Hand Held Throttles
« Reply #79 on: September 05, 2021, 08:44:26 AM »
There is actually quite a bit stopping them...

Volume and price.  The 3rd party has got to determine what their market it for this mod AND who is capable to install and willing to pay for it.

The person doing the mod MUST be capable and not the ordinary user.  Have a pro do the install makes the cost even higher and discourages users from doing the Mod.

Since Ring is soliciting ideas, I just thought wouldn't this be a great time to consider a ergonomic modification.

Maybe not....
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Re: Improvements to the Hand Held Throttles
« Reply #80 on: September 05, 2021, 08:51:02 AM »
The only thing I can see about that one is:

- Major circuit board redesign (though a circuit board redesign would be required for any slimming of the case width).
- By extending the length of the controller in that fashion your moving the one-handed-thumb control away from either the throttle knob or the usual horn button.

Bill, I had thought about a 3d printed case but it's pretty full on inside the HC, the circuit board is full width all the way from the top to where the case tapers in at the sides.

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Re: Improvements to the Hand Held Throttles
« Reply #81 on: September 05, 2021, 09:01:19 AM »

- By extending the length of the controller in that fashion your moving the one-handed-thumb control away from either the throttle knob or the usual horn button.

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You guys operate one handed?  I have some pretty big hands and do not feel like I have a good grip on the HC and at the same time try to navigate my thumb around for throttle or touch buttons.

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Re: Improvements to the Hand Held Throttles
« Reply #82 on: September 05, 2021, 09:56:44 AM »
You guys operate one handed?

Myself, yes and no. Due to my utter lack of having anywhere to run trains I've never really used my HC for any length of time to come to any concrete conclusion of how I use it but generally I've always used it one handed (and yes, I usually feel like I don't have a total hold of it) but I know others here do use the HC one handed all the time.

Thinking about it, in addition to being able to attach a lanyard I think a hand strap, like what's on those grip-ball toys, would be very handy.

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Re: Improvements to the Hand Held Throttles
« Reply #83 on: October 24, 2021, 03:40:54 AM »
Yes, I operate one-handed, sort of.
I hold the controller in my left hand and operate the throttle with my thumb. Button pushing is done with my right hand. But I don't do much button pushing once the train is running.
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Re: Improvements to the Hand Held Throttles
« Reply #84 on: October 25, 2021, 11:03:29 PM »
Tim
I wouldn't have thought anyone would buy the smaller DigiTrax type controller's either, but they do. Its all about choices I suppose and what suits people's requirements best.

I did. I bought a UT6D and I plan to buy another 3-4 of them. My module set (Dallas Union Terminal) will require 3-4 switching jobs and those will be handled by a fleet of SW power. As the main benefit to RailPro is the auto load sharing, there's no reason to do major surgery on a SW frame to run it by itself. I elected to install DCC into these units as well as the superior 567 sound files that are available. The UT6 sized throttle is perfect for an operator and something that I think is much, much better sized than the HC-2's that I have. In the 7 years that I've been using RailPro there isn't a single part of it that has gotten smaller. I'm certain the N scale guys have given up and I'm not about to ask my operators to deal with the massive HC-2 all day long. It isn't user friendly nor is it comfortable to hold. RailPro used to hold a major advantage over DCC in my opinion but today I see it as a 50/50 decision. Something needs to happen or this Betamax nitch product will be quickly surpassed.
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Re: Improvements to the Hand Held Throttles
« Reply #85 on: October 27, 2021, 12:53:14 AM »
How about enabling the HC for video? Seriously, I had a vision (!) today of putting a camera in-engine, and seeing the output on the HC in real time. Lionel tried this decades ago but the tech is far better today. Actually, I'm surprised no one's done this with a phone.

I am actually trying to accomplish this. I havenít figured out how to have the image display on a cell phone, but it does transmit wirelessly to a receiver and is sent to a TV via HDMI.

I want a cab ride video that is truest from the cab of the engine.

I fried my current camera and need to order a new one. Iíll ask electrical questions in  another thread.

In regards to this topic, Iíd love the dark screen look, and the lanyard loop.
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Re: Improvements to the Hand Held Throttles
« Reply #86 on: October 28, 2021, 09:37:49 PM »
Maybe stream it via a web platform?