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General Discussion / Re: Proto Throttle
« Last post by William Brillinger on January 17, 2018, 08:57:57 PM »
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As to learning the Proto Throttle, Joe F gave me a lesson, less than a couple minutes and I had no problem, but yes, still nothing is as easy as the RailPro.

I used one for a few hours at Joe Atkinson's IAIS layout. It is a lot of fun to use and very intuitive. I enjoyed using it and it is certainly a 2 hander. Not really an issue for this a boutique item. I have no problem using RP with only 1 hand.
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General Discussion / Re: Proto Throttle
« Last post by TomO on January 17, 2018, 08:46:03 PM »
I use my RailPro one handed and also have no issues. I fit a medium glove so I was concerned about the size of the Proto Throttle. It did not feel uncomfortable and it does have a strap on the back to fit the fingers into. The Throttle is bigger but the feel because of the straps was fine. It also has a spot on the case to be able to hang it around your neck. They had a lot of help with ideas from the MRH forum group and it has been very well thought out.

TomO
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General Discussion / Re: Proto Throttle
« Last post by KPack on January 17, 2018, 07:07:19 PM »
The Proto Throttle is way larger than Railpro from what I've seen.  I've never had a problem with the size of the Railpro throttle, and never had a problem operating it one-handed.  That's one complaint that people make against Railpro that I've never really understood.

-Kevin
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General Discussion / Re: Proto Throttle
« Last post by G8B4Life on January 17, 2018, 07:02:38 PM »
I've only followed the ProtoThrottle on and off. If I had not gone RailPro and was still with DCC then I would be getting it, I always wanted a throttle with proper notches. That said it wouldn't be impossible for Ring to add this (levers etc instead of knobs) to his system if the market was there to support it. The power of the Ring touchscreen with actual throttle and brake levers etc would make for a very close representation of a modern day loco.

Now the part I find funny, how many times have we heard the argument against RP because the controller is "too big so it must be used two handed" yet from the photo in the advance registration thread on MRH the Protothrottle appears very much the same bulkiness as the HC yet no one is saying boo.

- Tim
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General Discussion / Re: Proto Throttle
« Last post by TomO on January 17, 2018, 06:56:35 PM »
Thanks Alan, forgot about the receiver but they are offering a discount if pre ordered, still, I agree, a lot of bucks. Bill, makes sense what ISE told you, I had already sent my email before seeing your response.

As to learning the Proto Throttle, Joe F gave me a lesson, less than a couple minutes and I had no problem, but yes, still nothing is as easy as the RailPro.

Thanks all
TomO
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General Discussion / Re: Proto Throttle
« Last post by William Brillinger on January 17, 2018, 06:34:39 PM »
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Iíll email ISE direct.

I already talked to ISE. Because Ring is a Closed system, Ring will have to make their own adapter to support it or share their code with ISE.

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The load and brake functions are a step in the right direction, but I feel like they need more tweaking....particularly the brake function.  While I like how the load function increases momentum significantly with a heavier train, I would really like a way to control the sound of the prime mover, especially when running light.  Right now with 0% load the prime mover is running at notch 3 while the locomotive coasts down a straight track.  It should be back at idle at the point and the locomotive would just be coasting.

This is why I prefer manual notching. I get to maintain full control of the speed and sound separately.

The control of the speed is so smooth and precise with RailPro, I see no need to handycap an operator with bib momentum settings.

My operators look and feel like 20 year veteran engineers on the line instead of looking like a bunch of rookies with a throttle lever in their hand for the first time. They don't come to play rookie engineer. They come to run like they see out in the real world - seasoned pros.
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General Discussion / Re: Proto Throttle
« Last post by KPack on January 17, 2018, 05:53:06 PM »
I do like the levers and knobs on the Proto Throttle.  A very interesting concept indeed.  Alan, I think the way they are using the notches is with a different software programming....meaning moving it up to say notch 2 will play all the correct sound effects, but it also uses software to mimic movement of a typical locomotive with momentum and such.  Similar to what the load setting does on Railpro.  I haven't played with it myself, but that's what it looks like from videos I've seen.

Railpro doesn't fully duplicate notching and brake applications yet.  The load and brake functions are a step in the right direction, but I feel like they need more tweaking....particularly the brake function.  While I like how the load function increases momentum significantly with a heavier train, I would really like a way to control the sound of the prime mover, especially when running light.  Right now with 0% load the prime mover is running at notch 3 while the locomotive coasts down a straight track.  It should be back at idle at the point and the locomotive would just be coasting.

The brake is still a little too primitive.  It works, but doesn't work as smoothly as it should.  Right now you press and hold the brake button and it rather quickly increases to 100%, making it a little unrealistic.  I'd prefer more of a step system, where the braking power increases incrementally.  But how do you do that without a physical lever like the Proto Throttle has?  Regardless, one way or another I'd like to see the braking improved on Railpro.

-Kevin
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General Discussion / Re: Proto Throttle
« Last post by Alan on January 17, 2018, 05:50:33 PM »
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RailPro Installations / Re: MTH Gevo Speaker Installation
« Last post by KPack on January 17, 2018, 05:26:21 PM »
Always better to have more speakers.  Whether or not you wire in series or parallel depends on what the speakers are able to handle. 

Railpro outputs 1 watt of power to a single speaker. Wiring in series will present the Railpro amp with a 16 ohm load, it will decrease the output to the speakers to 0.5 watts (useful for speakers who's max watt rating is lower than 1 watt).  Wiring in parallel will present the Railpro amp with a 4 ohm load, increasing the output to 2 watts.

Parallel tends to be louder, but I almost always wire mine in series because I'm not looking for massive volume.  I'd prefer to keep the sounds relatively low and avoid overdriving the speakers (I use "sugar cube" type speakers with a max rating of 1 watt).

I have a MTH ES44 and found that using speakers designed for the factory mounts was less than ideal.  I ended up taking them out and replacing them with two sugar cube speaker assemblies inside the fuel tank cut outs.  It sounds much better.

-Kevin
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General Discussion / Re: Proto Throttle
« Last post by TomO on January 17, 2018, 04:06:22 PM »
Iím not sure where the $600 is coming from as I have read the price of 2 sound equipped locomotives, but yes it is not inexpensive at even around 460. The price isnít so much my concern as to having to go to DCC to use it, as I have nothing DCC and really donít want any. RailPro is too easy to use in comparison. Iím not going to bother Tim with something maybe a couple of us might use. Iíll email ISE direct.

If we are able to duplicate the notching and brake applications I havenít discovered that yet, but will start looking and experimenting again.

Thank you
TomO

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