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General Discussion / Going Partially Back To DCC
« Last post by TwinStar on July 01, 2020, 08:40:53 PM »
I fought the Free-mo DCC demons as best as I could and lost, miserably. DCC is ingrained into that module standard, and most of the hobby, for better or for worse. I'll be purchasing a DB210 to power my module set (it has two distinct power districts; main and non-main) and I've already ordered the DCS52. I'll use DCC power on my module set from here on out, even at home, in order to dial in the current detectors.

I'll also be going a step further and equipping all of my SW fleet (3 units right now moving to 5 eventually) with DCC sound decoders instead of RailPro. The reasons are three fold; first, Ring hasn't released anything small enough yet to fit into such a small locomotive without major surgery; two, the major benefit of RailPro's load sharing isn't utilized in a single SW switching cars; and three, most of my operators will arrive with a DCC throttle.

All of my road locomotives will remain and/or be equipped with RailPro. I don't ever want to bother with speed matching ever again. It also appears that thanks to Ring that Digitrax has finally entered the early 2000's with the UI. Yeah!!
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Thank you for your efforts and help.  Time to install my first Railpro Receiver and figure out how to make directional ditch lighting on a switcher!

Check out this thread:
https://rpug.pdc.ca/index.php/topic,1021.0.html

I haven't built any boards yet, but I do have the components and have a PC board design. PM for more info, don't want to clog this thread.
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Thank you G8B4Life!  I added that reg section and it worked on the first try!  I will need to go back and try to figure out what was different in my attempt compared to yours.  I know that I did not have a Windows example available, and I was trying to logic my way through the registry.  Logic does not apply to Windows.

I do find it a little disappointing that most groups do not create software for their hardware that runs outside the Windows universe.  Being primarily a Linux person (and not necessarily good at it), these situations force me to learn more about Linux.

When you get a draft of the How-to made, I will be glad to proof read it and test it out on a clean Linux install to see if everything works like you expect in a separate computer with a less informed user.

Thank you for your efforts and help.  Time to install my first Railpro Receiver and figure out how to make directional ditch lighting on a switcher! 
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Welcome to the forum Trainbrain.

I'm really happy to see you trying to duplicate what I did but as it was just a "journal" of the experiment and not a proper how-to there is possibly steps I missed writing down, though I don't think I missed any steps, and one thing I didn't post at all. I always intended to go back and finish it up (make it so a person doesn't have to change the permissions every time, a desktop icon etc) and write a proper how-to but I got distracted by experiment 2 (which isn't going so well). I'll try and do a proper how-to tonight.

So, back to where you are stuck, the registry information I posted is only for the CI-1, there is a whole separate set of registry entries for the HC-2b which I didn't post in the experiment (remember, was going to come back and write a proper how-to). I've attached them to this post for the time being. Download them and import them in the Wine registry editor.

The registry files should be good for anyone, not just me. As to find a resource to understand the registry to be able to build keys? it's black magic and even I don't understand it! The registry information was extracted from a Windows PC that had already seen a CI-1 and HC-2b.

- Tim

 [ You are not allowed to view attachments ]  CI-1 registry entries
 [ You are not allowed to view attachments ]  HC-2b registry entries

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Thanks for the information!  I am trying to duplicate your results under Ubuntu 16.04 and Wine 5, but I have gotten stuck at the Registry settings for the HC-2b.  The Registry settings you published are good for your computer only, and I am not sure how to do it for myself.  Can you point me to a good resource to understand how to build the Registry keys correctly?

Wine prepopulated an HID and HIDRAW keys, but not USB.  The second identifier you have under USB is outside my limited understanding..Yet!

Thanks!!

TrainBrain
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RailPro Discussion & Help / Re: Revisiting UI and UX ...again!
« Last post by ON28 on June 27, 2020, 02:04:24 PM »
I am always baffled when I see icons and text combined. Isn't the whole purpose of an icon to make text unnecessary?

Not really, think of everyday stuff you see and you'll see a lot have both, a pictogram and text. Two very quick examples I can think of are an exit sign and a fire extinguisher sign; both have the pictogram and text.  Road signs too have many cases with a pictogram and text. While there are very good reasons in the real world for combining a pictogram with text I kind of think of of it this way, the pictogram is the indicator of the function (whether to exit a building or to turn on the front light of your locomotive) and the text is the conformation of the function. With RailPro because you can make any button do anything regardless of the pictogram chosen you need to have the text as well.

There is an issue with having text only buttons if the text is user entered like the button text is now as certain function buttons actually control logic within the controller. It's not insurmountable though. I'll have to mock up a "just text" version of the function buttons.

Some time ago, Tim or someone else posted a nice chart of all the RP icons along with their descriptions. There's no way I would remember what they all stand for without descriptions.  :o 

Yep, that was me, and as usual got the evil stare from 10,000 miles away for the effort. I haven't looked at that guide in ages but I think I still don't know what all the buttons are supposed to be, and I still haven't seen an official buttons guide from RE yet.

and performance monitors (module temp-voltage-current)/throttle on same page.

That information is just one button press away on the control locomotive screen so I'm unsure if your just unaware that you can access it or if your wanting it on the same screen as as the main controlling screen. Given the way that info is presented I don't think you could fit all that on the controlling screen. If the controller was able to report those monitors in numbers and not graphs then it could be possible, but at the expense of what on the controlling screen? There is only an finite amount of space available.

- Tim

It would be helpful to see the throttle value and performance values on one screen. Kind of like in the cab of a 1:1 loco. Maybe an amp meter linked to the dynamics/notching, too? We already have the fuel gauge (battery indicator). The mind reels...
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RailPro Discussion & Help / Re: Revisiting UI and UX ...again!
« Last post by G8B4Life on June 27, 2020, 09:24:31 AM »
I am always baffled when I see icons and text combined. Isn't the whole purpose of an icon to make text unnecessary?

Not really, think of everyday stuff you see and you'll see a lot have both, a pictogram and text. Two very quick examples I can think of are an exit sign and a fire extinguisher sign; both have the pictogram and text.  Road signs too have many cases with a pictogram and text. While there are very good reasons in the real world for combining a pictogram with text I kind of think of of it this way, the pictogram is the indicator of the function (whether to exit a building or to turn on the front light of your locomotive) and the text is the conformation of the function. With RailPro because you can make any button do anything regardless of the pictogram chosen you need to have the text as well.

There is an issue with having text only buttons if the text is user entered like the button text is now as certain function buttons actually control logic within the controller. It's not insurmountable though. I'll have to mock up a "just text" version of the function buttons.

Some time ago, Tim or someone else posted a nice chart of all the RP icons along with their descriptions. There's no way I would remember what they all stand for without descriptions.  :o 

Yep, that was me, and as usual got the evil stare from 10,000 miles away for the effort. I haven't looked at that guide in ages but I think I still don't know what all the buttons are supposed to be, and I still haven't seen an official buttons guide from RE yet.

and performance monitors (module temp-voltage-current)/throttle on same page.

That information is just one button press away on the control locomotive screen so I'm unsure if your just unaware that you can access it or if your wanting it on the same screen as as the main controlling screen. Given the way that info is presented I don't think you could fit all that on the controlling screen. If the controller was able to report those monitors in numbers and not graphs then it could be possible, but at the expense of what on the controlling screen? There is only an finite amount of space available.

- Tim
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RailPro Discussion & Help / Re: Revisiting UI and UX ...again!
« Last post by Alan on June 27, 2020, 07:17:36 AM »
...Also, the casing needs an integral loop for a lanyard. Does anyone get a hand fatigue from the HC weight? Maybe if the HC was elongated and narrowed, there would be better weight distribution.

Yes to all.
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RailPro Discussion & Help / Re: Another idea, this time function mapping
« Last post by ON28 on June 27, 2020, 12:34:54 AM »
On another front, a shrink wrap sted of a hard case for modules would aid installation especially in modern locos with scant space.
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RailPro Discussion & Help / Re: Revisiting UI and UX ...again!
« Last post by ON28 on June 27, 2020, 12:26:58 AM »
I'd like to see a fast clock added, and performance monitors (module temp-voltage-current)/throttle on same page. A side button for direction would be nice, more reachable with one hand than on-screen

Also, the casing needs an integral loop for a lanyard. Does anyone get a hand fatigue from the HC weight? Maybe if the HC was elongated and narrowed, there would be better weight distribution. 
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